EP 235 - Throwback Episode Special!

Tiffany Rossdale takes us on a journey to the past in her first throwback episode! As the show comes onto its 235th episode, Tiffany presents a snippet of a past episode; not only will it jog your memory but may bring about some new intrigue that you may not have felt in your first listen! Featured in this episode is a part of Episode 155, "What Is The Difference Between Crossdressing And Gender Dysphoria?" Her guest, Celia Sandhya Daniels (she/they), an Indian gender non-binary entrepreneur and trans activist, shared a beautiful anecdote of her experience with coming out to their 12-year-old daughter despite their conflicted feelings, and her daughter’s reaction. This brief but inspiring excerpt touches on the theme of 'acceptance', and sheds a wonderful and valuable light on positive LGBTQ+ experiences and stories, which can clue us in on how we all can act towards a world of acceptance and mutual understanding. Listen to Celia’s whole story through the link below!

Episode 155: What Is The Difference Between Crossdressing And Gender Dysphoria? With Celia Daniels (PART 2) – https://www.tiffanyrossdale.com/podcast/episode/7cedb9b0/ep-155-what-is-the-difference-between-crossdressing-and-gender-dysphoria-with-celia-daniels-part-2

Transcript

Tiffany Rossdale: 0:15

Welcome to Breakfast with Tiffany Show. My name is Tiffany Rossdale, and I am a Tokyo based transformational lifestyle coach. In each episode of this podcast, I want to explore the positive transitions other people have made to, how they freed themselves from their struggles, what pushed them to overcome their difficulties, and how and why they felt like they could overcome. Breakfast with Tiffany Show is really all about the transitions everyone who wants to succeed makes and what they did to get there. As such, while the focus is on LGBTQ plus journeys, I want to share the stories of all people who have found their way to success. My hope is to have this platform for all of us to be together while listening to successful stories, amazing life experiences, inspirational journeys, as well as having good laughs and lots of smiles.

Brendan: 1:28

Ladies and gentlemen, may I introduce you to something quite extraordinary? It's The Breakfast With Tiffany Show Podcast, and now it is with great pleasure that I introduce you to your host, Tiffany Rossdale.

Tiffany Rossdale: 1:45

Hello, beautiful listeners. I hope you're having an amazing day, and thank you as always for tuning into Breakfast with Tiffany Show, where we share inspiring stories, important conversations, and lots of love. Today, I have some exciting news to share with you all. We're growing and I want you to be part of this incredible journey. That's right. We're officially looking for passionate, creative, and driven individuals to join our team. If you've ever thought about working behind the scenes of a podcast, making an impact through storytelling and being part of a dynamic and supported team, then this might be the perfect opportunity for you. Here's who we're looking for. If you are a whiz at social media and know how to create content that pops, we need your talent to help share our episodes with the world. If you're into editing, sound design or producing, your skills could help us craft even more polished and impactful episodes. And if you are a natural organizer or love managing projects we'd love your help with keeping things running smoothly behind the scenes. No matter what your expertise is, if you're passionate about podcasts, storytelling, and amplifying meaningful voices, we want to hear from you. Working with us is more than just a role. It's about being part of something bigger. And as because you have been listening to this podcast, we're creating conversations that truly matter and fostering a community that uplifts and inspires. So if this sounds like something you'd love to be part of, head over to breakfastwithtiffanyshow@outlook.com. I'll repeat that for you. breakfastwithtiffanyshow@outlook.com, with FF on my Tiffany to apply. Or you can find the link in our show notes. Please, share this to your friends or whomever you think might be interested to be part of our team. Don't you wait. Let's create magic together in this next chapter of Breakfast with Tiffany Show. Thank you for always supporting us and I cannot wait to welcome some of you to the team. Much love. Hello everyone. Welcome back to The Breakfast with Tiffany Show podcast. This is your lovely house, Tiffany Rossdale, and I am back and thank you so much for joining me again every week here on the podcast. I'm always grateful for you for tuning in and I am hoping that you're having an amazing day as well. On this episode of The Breakfast with Tiffany Show, I haven't actually done this, so this is the first time that we're going to have a Throwback. Why? I think it's because we have so many archives now on the Breakfast with Tiffany Show podcast. I was also re-listening to most of them, and I stumbled upon really great conversations, from the previous episodes and I thought that maybe you haven't listened to, some of the previous episodes or, I always find it like, for example, I'm listening to a certain podcast, not just my own podcast, during that time when I was listening to that episode of that particular podcast show, it doesn't resonate with me because that time's not probably the timing that I want to listen. But there are times also that I realized that if I re-listen and I'm ready to listen to that particular topic, I became more interested and I became more fascinated about that topic. Maybe you have listened to this from the previous episode, maybe this is the time you can remind yourself about what conversations we had during that episode. I just think repurposing also the conversation is very important as I've had so much incredible guests on the show really giving such incredible conversations with me, and they're giving so much nuggets about, not just about the life stories and experiences that they all had, but also their own learnings in their journeys. So this episode that I'm going to share with you today, I want to do a throwback, is from episode number. Number 155 one five five. The title is "What is the Difference Between Cross-Dressing and Gender Dysphoria With guest Celia Daniels," and this is the part two. I actually had three part episode for Celia Daniels because she was sharing so much about her life stories and experiences. So if you want to check all the episodes, it started from episode 154, 155, and 156, and it's all on the archives. Relistening to this episode, I literally, it reminded me of how important this conversation was. So here's a snippet from that episode, and I hope you'll like this throwback. Listen. And enjoy. How is the relationship with your daughter, right? Your daughter?

Celia Daniels: 8:27

So I remember coming out to her when she was 12 years old, and my wife was telling me that "She's too young. You don't want to tell about you because she may not take it in the right sense." And I told my wife, "let me see how it goes." One day she came down the stairs and she said, "Dad, I saw a picture of you in the computer and you were dressed in a sari." She found out in something that she had seen, and I was so shocked because I didn't want her to know this way, and that's when my wife just squeezed my hand and said, "Tell her it's Halloween. Don't tell her you're trans, because I don't know how children will take it." I told my wife "I'll take care of it. I'm not gonna tell her it's Halloween." I didn't tell her anything about it. I told, I just told my wife, "I'll take care of it. Just give me some time." So I took a couple of days. I sat and thought about how would my daughter react when she knows her dad is trans? Is she gonna lose her respect? Is she gonna lose the dad that she loves a lot. I kid with my daughter, I play with her a lot and we are like buddies and we have our own things we do, we have daddy daughter time. And to me it was a lot of mixed emotions and I called her after two days and I said "Come, sweetheart, I'm gonna tell you something," then I made her sit on my lap. She's a tiny sweetheart and I was telling her my story. I just told her exactly what I told in this podcast. I told her "I wanted to be a girl and this is my story." And I told her everything in 25 minutes and she looked at me and said, "That's cool, dad. So what do you want me to call you? Do I call you Mom?""What do you think?" And she said,"I don't care." But I knew she cared. I could sense it, but she was trying to be nice to me. She said, "I don't care. I'll call you what you want me to." And I said,"You're gonna call me Dad. Nothing's gonna change and I'm gonna be a dad, no matter how I look or how I'm gonna look, nothing's gonna change." And she felt happy about it. She felt like she's not losing her dad. In fact, she's gaining another person in our lives, literally. So I, have gone out with my daughter as Celia. She has attended events where I've been honored, given all the awards that I received. She was with me she has done podcasts with me. She has proudly told her friends, her boyfriend, and everybody that,"Hey, my dad is gender non-binary." They have seen me in the events. They kinda know me before I transitioned. So they used to call me Mr. Daniels. No, it's so funny. I just tell them, "Call me, whatever you want. That's fine. I want what my daughter wants." So sometimes a nomenclature in a family life doesn't really make any sense because people always told me that when you are a trans woman, then your daughter should call your mom, and that's the way it should be. I said, "who the heck are you to tell me what my life should be? This is my family and this is how I wanna lead my family. Even till today, my daughter is very affectionate and of course I do all the parenting. There are certain things, she talks to me, community advocacy, and she's actually one of the young Democrats for California. She did a lot of advocacy for the environment. She's an environmentalist. She's doing, courses in energy and sustainability. So she has a lot of passion in people and to me that matters a lot because I see my daughter in me, what she's doing, and I see the younger generation, and I'm hopeful that they're gonna change the future of the trans community. She identifies as cisgender. She told me very clearly "Dad, I'm not lesbian, pansexual or anything. I'm attracted to boys. In fact, I have a boyfriend and just wanted you to know." I was like,"Sweetheart, no matter what you are, I'm gonna love you and accept you." So she is very open and honest and the relationship is much more strengthened. She's 23 now. That 12-year-old girl is now 23, and she is deciding on her own what she wants to do, and she's such a big advocate for the trans community. She very proudly put a sticker on in a college, where she went, she said, "Human trans rights are human rights." And she was the only one who carries a big water bottle with that and lots of trans stickers. She made me tiny trans mans and she knitted some bumblebees with trans colors. And she does a lot, and she gives me, and she educates her friends. I'm so honored and blessed to have a child that I never thought would really accept me. And then she did. It was so emotional for me. I'm blessed. Unfortunately, my life doesn't work like, it's not the template for every trans person. They all have some difficult experiences, and I can tell you that my heart goes out to a lot of my friends who, when they came out, they're not able to be with their wives and children, because, it's very different with different families and the journeys are different. So I always try to help folks if they want to come out to the wives, I talk to them. I tell them what to do, what to tell. I only give them an advice, but I don't tell them what to do. With the education and environment around trans community, across the world, people are getting educated. People are a little empathetic. And that's going to change our future.

Tiffany Rossdale: 13:58

Oh my gosh. It's so beautiful, Celia. I am so touched by that story again. Like what you said, like it really gives us hope, like with all these Gen Zs. like they're more understandable, the acceptance from them is... yeah. it's just amazing. I think it's also the way you raised her. It's that impact the way you raised her that is now, she's even willing to support the community because of she knows how all the struggles you have been. What a beautiful story. I want that in a movie. You should have that in a movie. Have you thought about like putting in a movie? In a film?

Celia Daniels: 14:36

Yeah. I've been thinking about writing a book actually, but I'm working on it.

Tiffany Rossdale: 14:41

Yeah. I think it would be, even a book, I think your stories, like these stories that you've been sharing with us today, like it just, it touches your heart. Like it's, really powerful. There's so much that people doesn't know. There's so much misconceptions about us that they don't see like the good story out of it, you know? So I think, good stories and very valuable stories like yours is really important to be shared and to be reached out with more audience and so people to understand and that's the way for us to be accepted within different communities.

Celia Daniels: 15:19

Absolutely. Yeah.

Tiffany Rossdale: 15:19

Thank you for sharing. You had a video on your YouTube channel about cross-dressing that I watched. And you explained very well about this. And now I also have a friend who is in that situation and still not open to come out to his friends and family. And I'm sure there are many out there who might be listening to our conversations today. I wonder what message you would give them?

Celia Daniels: 15:49

I think everyone has a journey in life, so what I normally tell them is...

Tiffany Rossdale: 15:58

Such a great conversation with Celia on this episode, and yes, I did it in purpose to cut it out in that part, so you will go to the archives! But yeah, I think you should listen to the full episodes of my conversations with Celia Daniels because I think her stories are so powerful, and the way she navigated through her life journey as a transgender woman transitioning, and then having her family understand her about her gender identity, is so much to learn from her experience. So definitely check out the archive of this episode: episode 154, 155, 156, yes,  154, 155, and 156, three episodes of my conversation with Celia Daniels. This is actually also reminded me of the recent filming project that I've been doing for We Exist second episode. Very exciting because we just wrapped up our filming last, first week of January and we highlighted one story that is kind of similar to what Celia Daniels experienced as a transgender parent. And I am not gonna say anything about this because I want you to watch the We Exist documentary second episode that we're going to release hopefully like this coming early summer of 2025. There's so much commonality, that's also why I want to rerelease this episode because it reminded me of my conversation with Bianca. Bianca is also another transgender friend that I know and met who also started from actually meeting her through this podcast, and eventually we were able to see each other and highlight her story for the second episode of the We Exist documentary, so stay tuned for that. Alright. Thank you so much for listening today, and I hope you will continue listening to the episodes, not just Celia Daniels' episode, but if you can go to the archives of our previous episodes, there's so much there that you can find, and I am going to do this every once in a while to, like re-release previous episodes, and what really made me realize is I love doing the podcast even more because even I had a conversation with Celia during the first few years of my podcasting, it's still timely listening to all these episodes, even now after two years or three years later. So definitely check all the archives if you have time, if you have time to listen to every episode. And I think you'll learn a lot from our community because I interviewed a lot of different, amazing activists, prominent or even just part being part of the community, like sharing their stories. So check them all out. All right, my lovely listeners, thank you so much for joining in again on The Breakfast with Tiffany Show and much love to you all and stay tuned for another episode next week on The Breakfast with Tiffany Show. Bye. Thank you so much for tuning in. If you reached up until this last minute of the show, I am extremely grateful for you for tuning in the whole entire episode. If you enjoyed our episode today, please share it to your friends. You can copy and paste the link wherever you are listening to right now. Text your friend, share on your Instagram stories or your Facebook page. Tag me on your social media when you post it, I'd love to hear from you. Share your thoughts on the interview that I had today, and if it's your first time here, once again, please do me a favor to subscribe on the podcast. Leave us a review. Every review makes me so happy. So I'm looking forward to your ratings and review on our podcasts. You can impact someone's life right now by just sharing our episode today. I hope you enjoy this episode today as much as I did, and I hope you know how much you matter, how much I appreciate your time for listening, how much I love you and appreciate you. I am truly grateful for your kindness and your supports. And as I always say, sprinkle kindness wherever you go. I love you and stay safe and healthy.

Brendan: 21:35

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